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<blockquote data-quote="dave2008" data-source="post: 9588284" data-attributes="member: 83242"><p>OK, a little more research and, not surprisingly, it is complex. There is not a one look all version of angels and the D&D angels are "biblically" accurate to some types. The fantastic angels are typically of the "living creature" variety (which I didn't know as a thing until now.</p><p></p><p>Here is what I found:</p><p><a href="https://www.compellingtruth.org/angels-look.html" target="_blank">Does the Bible say what angels look like?</a></p><h3></h3><h4><a href="https://www.compellingtruth.org/angels-look.html#whatdoesthebiblesay" target="_blank">what does the bible say?</a></h4><p>The Bible describes various appearances of angels, emphasizing their unique forms based on their roles. Archangels, like Michael, are depicted as warrior figures (<a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Daniel/10/Daniel-10-13.html" target="_blank">Daniel 10:13</a>; <a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Revelation/12/Revelation-12-7.html" target="_blank">Revelation 12:7</a>), while the living creatures have multiple wings and faces (<a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Ezekiel/10/Ezekiel-10-1.html" target="_blank">Ezekiel 10:1–22</a>), and seraphim also have multiple wings (<a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Isaiah/6/Isaiah-6-1.html" target="_blank">Isaiah 6:1–7</a>). Some angels are seen as ordinary men or beings of bright light (<a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Genesis/18/Genesis-18-1.html" target="_blank">Genesis 18:1–2</a>; <a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Luke/2/Luke-2-13.html" target="_blank">Luke 2:13–14</a>). Detailed descriptions, such as the one in <a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Daniel/10/Daniel-10-5.html" target="_blank">Daniel 10:5–6</a>, highlight their majestic and sometimes startling appearances. Overall, these varied forms illustrate the unseen spiritual dimensions around us, reminding us that God's sovereignty extends over all aspects of existence (<a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Ephesians/6/Ephesians-6-12.html" target="_blank">Ephesians 6:12</a>; <a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Colossians/1/Colossians-1-16.html" target="_blank">Colossians 1:16</a>).</p><h4><a href="https://www.compellingtruth.org/angels-look.html#fromtheoldtestament" target="_blank">from the old testament</a></h4> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">There are many different kinds of angels, each looking unique based on what they are.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">We are not told exactly when angels were created or what they looked like at creation, but it is evident they were created prior to the Earth (<a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Job/38/Job-38-4.html" target="_blank">Job 38:4–7</a>).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Archangels are high-ranking angels with significant roles in God's plan and are described as warrior angels (<a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Daniel/10/Daniel-10-13.html" target="_blank">Daniel 10:13</a>, <a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Daniel/10/Daniel-10-21.html" target="_blank">21</a>; <a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Jude/1/Jude-1-9.html" target="_blank">Jude 1:9</a>; <a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Revelation/12/Revelation-12-7.html" target="_blank">Revelation 12:7</a>).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Cherubim are guardians of the divine, often associated with the presence of God (<a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Genesis/3/Genesis-3-24.html" target="_blank">Genesis 3:24</a>; <a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Exodus/25/Exodus-25-18.html" target="_blank">Exodus 25:18–22</a>; <a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Exodus/36/Exodus-36-8.html" target="_blank">36:8</a>; <a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Numbers/7/Numbers-7-89.html" target="_blank">Numbers 7:89</a>; <a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Psalms/99/Psalm-99-1.html" target="_blank">Psalm 99:1</a>; <a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Isaiah/37/Isaiah-37-16.html" target="_blank">Isaiah 37:16</a>; <a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Ezekiel/10/Ezekiel-10-1.html" target="_blank">Ezekiel 10:1–22</a>). They are described as winged, and at least some have multiple faces (<a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Ezekiel/10/Ezekiel-10-20.html" target="_blank">Ezekiel 10:20–21</a>).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The living creatures are beings that surround God's throne (<a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Ezekiel/1/Ezekiel-chapter-1.html" target="_blank">Ezekiel 1</a>; <a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Ezekiel/10/Ezekiel-chapter-10.html" target="_blank">10</a>). In Ezekiel’s visions they appear with whirling wheels filled with eyes (<a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Ezekiel/1/Ezekiel-1-15.html" target="_blank">Ezekiel 1:15–21</a>; <a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Ezekiel/10/Ezekiel-10-9.html" target="_blank">10:9–13</a>). Each has four faces—a cherub, a man, a lion, and an eagle. They had four wings and what looked like human hands under their wings (<a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Ezekiel/10/Ezekiel-10-20.html" target="_blank">Ezekiel 10:20–22</a>). Ezekiel identifies these as cherubim (<a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Ezekiel/10/Ezekiel-10-20.html" target="_blank">Ezekiel 10:20</a>), but it is unclear whether this is a special group of cherubim or a descriptor of all cherubim.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Seraphim are described as beings with six wings (<a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Isaiah/6/Isaiah-6-1.html" target="_blank">Isaiah 6:1–7</a>). They are seen by Isaiah standing above the throne of God, covering their faces and feet with two sets of wings and flying with the other. They call out, "Holy, holy, holy is the LORD of hosts; the whole earth is full of his glory!" (<a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Isaiah/6/Isaiah-6-3.html" target="_blank">Isaiah 6:3</a>).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Some angels are mentioned as having wings. This is true of the images of the cherub Moses was commanded to have made upon the ark of the covenant (<a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Exodus/25/Exodus-25-20.html" target="_blank">Exodus 25:20</a>) as well as the seraphim in <a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Isaiah/6/Isaiah-chapter-6.html" target="_blank">Isaiah 6</a> and the creatures who appeared to Ezekiel.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">One of the most detailed descriptions of what angels look like is given by Daniel in <a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Daniel/10/Daniel-10-5.html" target="_blank">Daniel 10:5–6</a>: "I lifted up my eyes and looked, and behold, a man clothed in linen, with a belt of fine gold from Uphaz around his waist. His body was like beryl, his face like the appearance of lightning, his eyes like flaming torches, his arms and legs like the gleam of burnished bronze, and the sound of his words like the sound of a multitude."</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">When angels are revealed to humans, their appearances vary. What is consistent is that they appear either as males or surrounded by bright light.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">In <a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Genesis/18/Genesis-18-1.html" target="_blank">Genesis 18:1–2</a>, three men, often understood to be angels or angels and a theophany, appeared as travelers to Abraham and Sarah.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">In <a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Genesis/19/Genesis-19-1.html" target="_blank">Genesis 19:1</a>, two angels appearing as men visited Lot.</li> </ul><h4><a href="https://www.compellingtruth.org/angels-look.html#fromthenewtestament" target="_blank">from the new testament</a></h4> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">In biblical accounts, angels often say, "Do not be afraid," to calm those to whom they appeared (<a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Luke/1/Luke-1-11.html" target="_blank">Luke 1:11–13</a>), revealing their startling appearance. In <a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Luke/2/Luke-chapter-2.html" target="_blank">Luke 2</a> the shepherds saw angels singing to announce the birth of Jesus and were afraid, again revealing their startling appearance. The appearance of angels at the tomb of Jesus caused Roman soldiers to become like dead men (<a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Matthew/28/Matthew-28-4.html" target="_blank">Matthew 28:4</a>).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Hebrews/13/Hebrews-13-2.html" target="_blank">Hebrews 13:2</a> references entertaining angels without knowing it. This reveals that angels can take human form.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Joseph, husband of Mary the mother of Jesus, experienced three dreams that included an angel of the Lord who appeared to him and provided important information regarding Jesus, Mary, and their safety as a family. No description is given, but Joseph clearly regarded the visitor as an angel (<a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Matthew/1/Matthew-chapter-1.html" target="_blank">Matthew 1—2</a>).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Angels could clearly communicate in the language of those they served as they shared spoken messages in many situations. They even sang in <a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Luke/2/Luke-2-13.html" target="_blank">Luke 2:13–14</a>.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">As the Old Testament also revealed, angels do not have an essential physical form; they are spirits who can take physical form. <a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Hebrews/1/Hebrews-1-14.html" target="_blank">Hebrews 1:14</a> tells us: "Are they not all ministering spirits sent out to serve for the sake of those who are to inherit salvation?"</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Confirming the Old Testament, the angels were created, as was the rest of creation, by Jesus Christ (<a href="https://www.bibleref.com/John/1/John-1-3.html" target="_blank">John 1:3</a>; <a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Colossians/1/Colossians-1-16.html" target="_blank">Colossians 1:16</a>).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The four living creatures are mentioned in Revelation as praising God forever before His throne. They also hold "golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints” (<a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Revelation/4/Revelation-4-6.html" target="_blank">Revelation 4:6</a>). They have six wings, are filled with eyes, and continually extol the holiness of God (<a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Revelation/4/Revelation-4-8.html" target="_blank">Revelation 4:8</a>). In John’s vision, each has a different face—a lion, an ox, a man, and an eagle (<a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Revelation/4/Revelation-4-7.html" target="_blank">Revelation 4:7</a>; cf. <a href="https://www.bibleref.com/Ezekiel/10/Ezekiel-10-14.html" target="_blank">Ezekiel 10:14</a>).</li> </ul></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dave2008, post: 9588284, member: 83242"] OK, a little more research and, not surprisingly, it is complex. There is not a one look all version of angels and the D&D angels are "biblically" accurate to some types. The fantastic angels are typically of the "living creature" variety (which I didn't know as a thing until now. Here is what I found: [URL='https://www.compellingtruth.org/angels-look.html']Does the Bible say what angels look like?[/URL] [HEADING=2][/HEADING] [HEADING=3][URL='https://www.compellingtruth.org/angels-look.html#whatdoesthebiblesay']what does the bible say?[/URL][/HEADING] The Bible describes various appearances of angels, emphasizing their unique forms based on their roles. Archangels, like Michael, are depicted as warrior figures ([URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Daniel/10/Daniel-10-13.html']Daniel 10:13[/URL]; [URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Revelation/12/Revelation-12-7.html']Revelation 12:7[/URL]), while the living creatures have multiple wings and faces ([URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Ezekiel/10/Ezekiel-10-1.html']Ezekiel 10:1–22[/URL]), and seraphim also have multiple wings ([URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Isaiah/6/Isaiah-6-1.html']Isaiah 6:1–7[/URL]). Some angels are seen as ordinary men or beings of bright light ([URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Genesis/18/Genesis-18-1.html']Genesis 18:1–2[/URL]; [URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Luke/2/Luke-2-13.html']Luke 2:13–14[/URL]). Detailed descriptions, such as the one in [URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Daniel/10/Daniel-10-5.html']Daniel 10:5–6[/URL], highlight their majestic and sometimes startling appearances. Overall, these varied forms illustrate the unseen spiritual dimensions around us, reminding us that God's sovereignty extends over all aspects of existence ([URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Ephesians/6/Ephesians-6-12.html']Ephesians 6:12[/URL]; [URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Colossians/1/Colossians-1-16.html']Colossians 1:16[/URL]). [HEADING=3][URL='https://www.compellingtruth.org/angels-look.html#fromtheoldtestament']from the old testament[/URL][/HEADING] [LIST] [*]There are many different kinds of angels, each looking unique based on what they are. [*]We are not told exactly when angels were created or what they looked like at creation, but it is evident they were created prior to the Earth ([URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Job/38/Job-38-4.html']Job 38:4–7[/URL]). [*]Archangels are high-ranking angels with significant roles in God's plan and are described as warrior angels ([URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Daniel/10/Daniel-10-13.html']Daniel 10:13[/URL], [URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Daniel/10/Daniel-10-21.html']21[/URL]; [URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Jude/1/Jude-1-9.html']Jude 1:9[/URL]; [URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Revelation/12/Revelation-12-7.html']Revelation 12:7[/URL]). [*]Cherubim are guardians of the divine, often associated with the presence of God ([URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Genesis/3/Genesis-3-24.html']Genesis 3:24[/URL]; [URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Exodus/25/Exodus-25-18.html']Exodus 25:18–22[/URL]; [URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Exodus/36/Exodus-36-8.html']36:8[/URL]; [URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Numbers/7/Numbers-7-89.html']Numbers 7:89[/URL]; [URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Psalms/99/Psalm-99-1.html']Psalm 99:1[/URL]; [URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Isaiah/37/Isaiah-37-16.html']Isaiah 37:16[/URL]; [URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Ezekiel/10/Ezekiel-10-1.html']Ezekiel 10:1–22[/URL]). They are described as winged, and at least some have multiple faces ([URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Ezekiel/10/Ezekiel-10-20.html']Ezekiel 10:20–21[/URL]). [*]The living creatures are beings that surround God's throne ([URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Ezekiel/1/Ezekiel-chapter-1.html']Ezekiel 1[/URL]; [URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Ezekiel/10/Ezekiel-chapter-10.html']10[/URL]). In Ezekiel’s visions they appear with whirling wheels filled with eyes ([URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Ezekiel/1/Ezekiel-1-15.html']Ezekiel 1:15–21[/URL]; [URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Ezekiel/10/Ezekiel-10-9.html']10:9–13[/URL]). Each has four faces—a cherub, a man, a lion, and an eagle. They had four wings and what looked like human hands under their wings ([URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Ezekiel/10/Ezekiel-10-20.html']Ezekiel 10:20–22[/URL]). Ezekiel identifies these as cherubim ([URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Ezekiel/10/Ezekiel-10-20.html']Ezekiel 10:20[/URL]), but it is unclear whether this is a special group of cherubim or a descriptor of all cherubim. [*]Seraphim are described as beings with six wings ([URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Isaiah/6/Isaiah-6-1.html']Isaiah 6:1–7[/URL]). They are seen by Isaiah standing above the throne of God, covering their faces and feet with two sets of wings and flying with the other. They call out, "Holy, holy, holy is the LORD of hosts; the whole earth is full of his glory!" ([URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Isaiah/6/Isaiah-6-3.html']Isaiah 6:3[/URL]). [*]Some angels are mentioned as having wings. This is true of the images of the cherub Moses was commanded to have made upon the ark of the covenant ([URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Exodus/25/Exodus-25-20.html']Exodus 25:20[/URL]) as well as the seraphim in [URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Isaiah/6/Isaiah-chapter-6.html']Isaiah 6[/URL] and the creatures who appeared to Ezekiel. [*]One of the most detailed descriptions of what angels look like is given by Daniel in [URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Daniel/10/Daniel-10-5.html']Daniel 10:5–6[/URL]: "I lifted up my eyes and looked, and behold, a man clothed in linen, with a belt of fine gold from Uphaz around his waist. His body was like beryl, his face like the appearance of lightning, his eyes like flaming torches, his arms and legs like the gleam of burnished bronze, and the sound of his words like the sound of a multitude." [*]When angels are revealed to humans, their appearances vary. What is consistent is that they appear either as males or surrounded by bright light. [*]In [URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Genesis/18/Genesis-18-1.html']Genesis 18:1–2[/URL], three men, often understood to be angels or angels and a theophany, appeared as travelers to Abraham and Sarah. [*]In [URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Genesis/19/Genesis-19-1.html']Genesis 19:1[/URL], two angels appearing as men visited Lot. [/LIST] [HEADING=3][URL='https://www.compellingtruth.org/angels-look.html#fromthenewtestament']from the new testament[/URL][/HEADING] [LIST] [*]In biblical accounts, angels often say, "Do not be afraid," to calm those to whom they appeared ([URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Luke/1/Luke-1-11.html']Luke 1:11–13[/URL]), revealing their startling appearance. In [URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Luke/2/Luke-chapter-2.html']Luke 2[/URL] the shepherds saw angels singing to announce the birth of Jesus and were afraid, again revealing their startling appearance. The appearance of angels at the tomb of Jesus caused Roman soldiers to become like dead men ([URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Matthew/28/Matthew-28-4.html']Matthew 28:4[/URL]). [*][URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Hebrews/13/Hebrews-13-2.html']Hebrews 13:2[/URL] references entertaining angels without knowing it. This reveals that angels can take human form. [*]Joseph, husband of Mary the mother of Jesus, experienced three dreams that included an angel of the Lord who appeared to him and provided important information regarding Jesus, Mary, and their safety as a family. No description is given, but Joseph clearly regarded the visitor as an angel ([URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Matthew/1/Matthew-chapter-1.html']Matthew 1—2[/URL]). [*]Angels could clearly communicate in the language of those they served as they shared spoken messages in many situations. They even sang in [URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Luke/2/Luke-2-13.html']Luke 2:13–14[/URL]. [*]As the Old Testament also revealed, angels do not have an essential physical form; they are spirits who can take physical form. [URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Hebrews/1/Hebrews-1-14.html']Hebrews 1:14[/URL] tells us: "Are they not all ministering spirits sent out to serve for the sake of those who are to inherit salvation?" [*]Confirming the Old Testament, the angels were created, as was the rest of creation, by Jesus Christ ([URL='https://www.bibleref.com/John/1/John-1-3.html']John 1:3[/URL]; [URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Colossians/1/Colossians-1-16.html']Colossians 1:16[/URL]). [*]The four living creatures are mentioned in Revelation as praising God forever before His throne. They also hold "golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints” ([URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Revelation/4/Revelation-4-6.html']Revelation 4:6[/URL]). They have six wings, are filled with eyes, and continually extol the holiness of God ([URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Revelation/4/Revelation-4-8.html']Revelation 4:8[/URL]). In John’s vision, each has a different face—a lion, an ox, a man, and an eagle ([URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Revelation/4/Revelation-4-7.html']Revelation 4:7[/URL]; cf. [URL='https://www.bibleref.com/Ezekiel/10/Ezekiel-10-14.html']Ezekiel 10:14[/URL]). [/LIST] [/QUOTE]
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