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<blockquote data-quote="Wofano Wotanto" data-source="post: 9605269" data-attributes="member: 7044704">Gotta say I don't have a dog in that fight, and I have bought a few (rather disappointing) of the &quot;new&quot; (post-80s) V&amp;V products off DTRPG out of curiosity.Dee and Herman seem to be pretty good people by all reports, but I confess their Monkey House Games output has left me cold, particularly Mighty Protectors.&nbsp; I'd like to be more supportive of them, but they haven't put out anything new in quite a while anyway and the biggest selling point of V&amp;V (for me, anyway) has always been the masses of adventures available, which the MHG versions just don't have.&nbsp; Compare that to FGU's V&amp;V catalog, which has something like 57 pdfs available, about half of them put up well after the 1980s when the company went quiet.Bizar's behavior (as cited on his personal wiki page, FWIW - hardly a reliable source) seems a bit of a dog-in-the-manger thing (reminds me of Howard Thompson in that regard) and he seems really, really dead-set on not getting stuck with whatever physical books he's still got warehoused, but that doesn't really trip my boycott switch.&nbsp; Maybe I've missed something worse though, there's not much talk about FGU or even V&amp;V at this point and I suspect most folks think they've been gone for decades.&nbsp; I did trade a few emails with Bizar last year when I was trying to research the publication history of V&amp;V.&nbsp; He was polite and helpful, although I didn't even touch on the subject of MHG.&nbsp; I don't understand his current business model, but it's probably been a sideline for him for years at this point and (as long as it isn't breaking the terms of his various contracts with creators) if it works for him I can't really criticize it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Wofano Wotanto, post: 9605269, member: 7044704"] Gotta say I don't have a dog in that fight, and I have bought a few (rather disappointing) of the "new" (post-80s) V&V products off DTRPG out of curiosity. Dee and Herman seem to be pretty good people by all reports, but I confess their Monkey House Games output has left me cold, particularly Mighty Protectors. I'd like to be more supportive of them, but they haven't put out anything new in quite a while anyway and the biggest selling point of V&V (for me, anyway) has always been the masses of adventures available, which the MHG versions just don't have. Compare that to FGU's V&V catalog, which has something like 57 pdfs available, about half of them put up well after the 1980s when the company went quiet. Bizar's behavior (as cited on his personal wiki page, FWIW - hardly a reliable source) seems a bit of a dog-in-the-manger thing (reminds me of Howard Thompson in that regard) and he seems really, really dead-set on not getting stuck with whatever physical books he's still got warehoused, but that doesn't really trip my boycott switch. Maybe I've missed something worse though, there's not much talk about FGU or even V&V at this point and I suspect most folks think they've been gone for decades. I did trade a few emails with Bizar last year when I was trying to research the publication history of V&V. He was polite and helpful, although I didn't even touch on the subject of MHG. I don't understand his current business model, but it's probably been a sideline for him for years at this point and (as long as it isn't breaking the terms of his various contracts with creators) if it works for him I can't really criticize it. [/QUOTE]

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